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lunksunkunk · Nov 10, 2006, 07:46 AM // 07:46

ill add my 2 cents. Europe = More ppl, more PvPers
America = WoW, FPS Games, GW.
Korea = Many mmorpgs, GW is not as popular as others.
Japan = Not too sure.
Taiwan = Not too sure.

I feel sry for Japan and Taiwan, they hardly ever get to access these areas.

Gun Pierson · Nov 10, 2006, 07:46 AM // 07:46

@ Jenny2: It's not about getting something for free, it's about getting access to it and the fact that pvp play opens pve content.

The whole nation lol, a lot of americans joined the euro server, there goes your whole nation argument. Before you post something with an attitude, be sure to know at least what you're talking about.

I also remind you I'm not crying as I can get in every day, I just come up for my fellow adventurers in other parts of the world.

I repeat myself but it's something to think about: Turn it around and just imagine, what if a pvp player can only access halls if he/she talks with the fow crafter, time and time again. So we can say pve for it noob. Would be fun no?

The Prince · Nov 10, 2006, 07:56 AM // 07:56

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Originally Posted by jenny2

lol some of these arguments are so dumb...

some ppl just want everything on a silver tablet
"hey i paid for all content"...i dont want to play through all guildwars to get the best greens and best armor please give me everything at the start ?!

thats what most people say with their statements...indirectly.

just take it as it is.

FOW / UW are special / elite content (just like the elite missions in factions)

just that there is no ally "holding" a city that grants access to UW / FOW

here it is the whole nation / country holding it ...

but anyways just another crying thread

voting for -> *close*

Just because you dont agree with what the thread is proposing and we cant convince you that the current system is unfair doesnt mean the thread should be closed. We're not asking for a "silver platter" we're just asking that we be able to access the "optional" content. Sorry if I live in america, does that make my 50 american dollars not worth as much to Anet? the factions "elite" missions are reserved for those who apparently love faction farming the most, not for the most skilled players. Stop acting as though the system benefits those who actually deserve it, because if it did, no one would be putting forth logical and well thought out arguments against this system. the only arguments against seem to be "youre not working hard enough, therefore you dont deserve it" or "if youre not skilled enough to take favor, you dont deserve UW/FOW".

rhuber · Nov 10, 2006, 09:03 AM // 09:03

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Originally Posted by jenny2

lol some of these arguments are so dumb...

but anyways just another crying thread

voting for -> *close*

Just another loser troll...

cataphract · Nov 10, 2006, 09:06 AM // 09:06

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Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth

I have been noticing that in the past month America has had favor less and less. Now we are going on our 3rd day without favor for more than an hour. The reason is simple. Europe is either better at PvP or there are more PvPers there. Both are most likely true.

I paid for FoW, and UW content. Now I can't ever access it.

I am not a pvper and I hold nothing against our pvpers in America. I just seems that they are completely out matched. I only play GW to do high level farming. If something about the favor system does not change I will be forced to play another game that doesn't block content from their customers.

P.S. This is a direct letter to A-Net so please don't flame.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the favor system. I remember the days when america held favor most of the time, but I don't remember europeans whining about changing the favor system. What we did was play HA and kick yankee butt out of HoH. In the good old days Korea held favor and just winning HoH against Koreans was a feat in itself, let alone taking favor from them. So Europeans decided to work together, just like the Koreans did. When you had a map with 4 korean teams and one from America and Europe, you'd get 2 korean teams hitting americans, and another 2 hitting the europeans. It was frustrating but some people learned from that.

IMHO, america should stop whining about not having favor and start playing something other than "you know the four letters".

I remember seeing math win hoh a few days ago. My first thought was "omg, they found a way to make iway work in 6v6". Went to observer mode and got my thought confirmed. Did they hold HoH? Ofcourse not, don't be daft.

aron searle · Nov 10, 2006, 10:52 AM // 10:52

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Originally Posted by cataphract

I don't think there's anything wrong with the favor system. I remember the days when america held favor most of the time, but I don't remember europeans whining about changing the favor system. .

There were almost daily threads on the subject....................

Shanaeri Rynale · Nov 10, 2006, 11:04 AM // 11:04

Yes some of them 100's of pages long. Changes to the favor/elite system have been hinted at by AN but my old cynical head says they were more attempts to keep people quiet than a serious attempt to revamp it.

One of the things people miss in discussing this, is that it is the only part of the game where players from all around the world cannot form teams together(yes the lornars temple is an option but the criteria is too specific). I would love to meet and team with friends from the US but cannot due to this very broken game mechanic.

People had hoped for a change to the favor system in nightfall, after one of Gailes comments about a /favor command but maybe these are due in the 'update' a few months from now

Gli · Nov 10, 2006, 11:06 AM // 11:06

The favor system is perfect...

... as an example of how ANet doesn't understand their player base.

The ones really into HoH couldn't give a rodent's rectum who gets to go into the UW or Fow, while the ones most interested in playing those areas couldn't be bothered to go play HoH if their lives depended on it. Yet the two activities are tied together in a nonsensical relationship where one is dependent on the other.

It accomplishes nothing except to cause all kinds of absurd complications.

European servers are awash with expatriates. Americans, and many asians that can't communicate with the locals at all. Has anyone ever put on local chat while in ToA? It's horrible mess of insults and extreme nationalist and even racist sentiments. ANet is actively encouraging that in their game with their 'world at war' nonsense.

Vandal2k6 · Nov 10, 2006, 11:43 AM // 11:43

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Originally Posted by LagunaCid

Am I the only one that thinks that this system has no problem?
Look, its that simple.
Its an elite content.
Its elite for a REASON.
People at HoH fight for favour AND (notice the big and in caps) fame. The winning HoH team adquires access to the elite area. The team and his server. Hey, if you are complaining that this is leeching off the work of others, just ask them to make only the winning team get access then. Dont whine.
Point is. Its an elite area. It is INTENDED to be hard to enter.
Damn.
Im amazed how people arent bitching how you have to do quests to finish the game.

Do you know how favour works?

Once I've ascended I can gain access to FoW/UW s'long as someone on a European server has got us favour. I do NOTHING to gain us favour yet I get access. I am not ELITE, and I certainly can't play PVP well. So, apart from the fact I need to be ascended entering these areas is NOT elitist.

Without the people in HoH I wouldn't be able to enter these areas no matter how good I was unless I earned favour myself. I can't. So I rely on these people. I'm lucky enough to be in an area that has plenty of people willing to do this for me.

It's already been mentioned how hard it would be to gain favour and then try to gather a team for FoW/UW. Totally impracticle. So we ALL rely on these people to gain it for us. If they're not there (or not enough of them to keep it) then we're knackered. Is this fair? Should I be able to enter FoW more than an American/Korean ... etc just because we (Europe) have more PVPers, when I'm not better at the game than they are?

Braggi · Nov 10, 2006, 12:39 PM // 12:39

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Originally Posted by Does-it-Matter

I understand where you're going with this, but the example is over-complicated to the model.

...<snip>

Using the ProBowl as an example. Here we have a famous, well-watched, coveted and status-worthy competition.

No player needs to go to the ProBowl to be the winner for that season, just as no GW character needs to go to FoW/UW to beat the game. This is something extra, for continued enjoyment and a reward for those who show excellence (and a reward for fans whom get to watch their favorite players as well.)

If certain players are always showing excellence in abilities and are consecutively returning, it is not their fault, nor the fault of any officials, coaches or rules-makers that the other players can not attend. If a player wants to get make it here, they have to work for it. Otherwise, if everyone was able to attend, it wouldn't be the PRO bowl, it would just be another season of football games.

Your example is oversimplified. Actually you have 4 clubs (where I come from even a club with professional teams will usually have casual branches and even different sports), each with football teams and golfers.

Now the "championship golf course" is only open to players from the club whose football team actually holds the title... Of course this is a reward for excellent sportsmanship, golf is a sport, so it's a great idea!

Or maybe not, on second thought... What does the golfers' access to the course have to do with the football championship? Not much, as both groups are vastly disjoint...

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Originally Posted by Clone

For the people suggesting that PvE areas be controlled by PvP matches, I'm interested to see what you'd have to say if this was a two way street. I propose that every time Shiro or Litch is killed, a random player in halls from a different region gets instantly killed.

Now THAT made my day! Where can I sign?

jenny2 · Nov 10, 2006, 01:24 PM // 13:24

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Originally Posted by The Prince

the factions "elite" missions are reserved for those who apparently love faction farming the most, not for the most skilled players.

and so UW / FOW are reserved for tho who apparently love fame farming.

lets say this way the PVPers get a special something to balance their "money amount" or well in other words they get special pve content bc they dont got that much time for PVE when PVPing and that little PVE is special for them then.

dont get me wrong im not totally against ANY access to FOW / UW but then instead there should be a system providing a fair balance towards the PVPers .... for example lets say "5k access cost" when not favor or a daily access limit or a pre-quest (hard) that grants access to UW / FOW after finishing (that would prevent farming-only access for example)...so that the normal crafting stuff and questing stuff in FOW / UW can also be done by those who dont have favor but please not the same rights for those who dont have favor comparing to those who have it.

garethporlest18 · Nov 10, 2006, 01:33 PM // 13:33

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Originally Posted by jenny2

and so UW / FOW are reserved for tho who apparently love fame farming.

lets say this way the PVPers get a special something to balance their "money amount" or well in other words they get special pve content bc they dont got that much time for PVE when PVPing and that little PVE is special for them then.

dont get me wrong im not totally against ANY access to FOW / UW but then instead there should be a system providing a fair balance towards the PVPers .... for example lets say "5k access cost" when not favor or a daily access limit or a pre-quest (hard) that grants access to UW / FOW after finishing (that would prevent farming-only access for example)...so that the normal crafting stuff and questing stuff in FOW / UW can also be done by those who dont have favor but please not the same rights for those who dont have favor comparing to those who have it.

Most of those who win HoH, could give two bagels and a biscuit about PvE. So FoW/UW is useless to them. I know some PvPers care about money, then you have the ones that play both. But I rarely see a PvP person (r8+) out and about doing PvE if they are winning halls. I have seen them, but it's not often enough to clarify that they should deserve such an award when you have the fame and the rank emotes and the chance of getting a sword worth more than some people's souls. (which is a pretty worthless soul as irl that money would be about 200-400 dollars). Granted a req 8 15^50 Crystalline is rare as hell but most gold C-swords can net you over 300k. That's how they make their money, if they even care about it.

Gli · Nov 10, 2006, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Originally Posted by G_MAGNUS

I think it works fine when integrated to the story line. It is 'favor' by the gods.

And I always thought they were the gods of Tyria, Cantha and Elona, not of our world. They sure aren't part of any organized religion I ever heard of.

These gods must be powerful beings indeed, being able to sense that a person is sitting at a computer in a reality one step removed from the game world, in one continent or another. Why do these mystical beings care what continents we players are from? It boggles the minds of mere mortals such as myself!

Or rather, it doesn't make any sense at all, storywise. None whatsoever. It's rubbish.

Viruzzz · Nov 10, 2006, 02:21 PM // 14:21

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

The Favor system has been flawed and needless since the moment it was instated. Yeah, it sucks, but they've been pretty firm in their stance that it's going to remain as-is, unfair as it may be.

how is it unfair??
whoever wins HoH the most holds favor. everyone has the same chance. it only takes 8 people to do it

garethporlest18 · Nov 10, 2006, 02:22 PM // 14:22

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Originally Posted by Smile Like Umean It

Secondly, not liking someone because they're from somewhere else is prejudice. The two go hand and hand.

Thirdly, realistically speaking, I doubt there's only one American that doesn't like Europeans.

Well I've been in ToA when we lost favor and I've heard some racist/profanity from people there. So yeah half of the population of GW that wants to go to FoW, doesn't like Europe/Europeans when they take favor. I just say "hey we suck so what can you do?"

Vandal2k6 · Nov 10, 2006, 02:29 PM // 14:29

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Originally Posted by Viruzzz

how is it unfair??
whoever wins HoH the most holds favor. everyone has the same chance. it only takes 8 people to do it

When you say it like that it does sound fair, but it's not.

If you have 50 groups of 8 Europeans playing in HoH against 10 American groups and 1 Japanese group then you can see how unfair the system is. The fact is, for some reason the other countries just don't have the groups doing the things needed to earn favour. Which then leads us back to "well it's upto them to do that" which as we've discussed it impracticle and not going to happen to reverse the situation (or even level it out).

BTW - The number of groups I mentioned above is just a number. Real numbers I don't know so I took a WILD guess.

Neo Nugget · Nov 10, 2006, 02:33 PM // 14:33

Isnt it when your in international districts and your with a majority of europeans you become europe also?Just wondering.

Tetris L · Nov 10, 2006, 02:35 PM // 14:35

KurtTheBehemoth: In the early days of GW it was America that dominated the HoH, and Europe had favor much less often, let alone Korea. I didn't see Americans demand that the system shall be changed back then, did I!? But when the system turns into a disadvantage suddenly they cry for a "fairer" system. Double standards, anyone?

Vandal2k6 · Nov 10, 2006, 02:39 PM // 14:39

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Originally Posted by Tetris L

KurtTheBehemoth: In the early days of GW it was America that dominated the HoH, and Europe had favor much less often, let alone Korea. I didn't see Americans demand that the system shall be changed back then, did I!? But when the system turns into a disadvantage suddenly they cry for a "fairer" system. Double standards, anyone?

But Korea, Japan etc have never complained and have favour less than everyone else so this still affects them. Whether or not you think the Americans are just moaning because they don't get favour much the fact is it's not fair the way it is. Imo. Take the Americans out of the situation and it's STILL not fair.

Avarre · Nov 10, 2006, 02:41 PM // 14:41

This is a discussion of the Favor system. Any more inane posts on the topic of racism or PvE vs PvP and this thread will be closed.